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And this model we felt was like going to be something a little different. And flying back to Minneapolis, right? Like that model should die. So that it’s not, I mean, in my case, it’s not a white guy coming in from Minneapolis, gathering up stories, tucking them under my arm. I have these amazing colleagues in Omaha who have been interviewing kids who have experience working with kids who themselves have experience with the system. And so the way that project works is I am not interviewing kids. Because we don’t spend too much time talking about that. And to really kind of understand how how experience with the system ripples through an individual’s life, but also through their family life and their social life and all of that stuff. Really get inside the experiences of the kids there who are going through the juvenile justice system and their families and their siblings. I started working on a project with a small team of people in Omaha, Nebraska about four years ago. So I don’t have to explain, like, I’m not a journalist anymore, but I’m still doing journalists, like things with that said I’m not a journalist anymore, but I’m still doing journalist. So I’m just like borrowing it for a little bit. But it seems to have, it seems to have fizzled a little. There is a thing called investigative research in the sort of academic research world, which I am not a part of.

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Jeff: What I do for a day job is what I call investigative research. Brett: SSo what do you do for a day job right now? Brett: So you have the distinguished honor of being the season’s final guest. Jeff: it’s just, I buy it as a season finale. But anyway, that sounded like I was finishing the show, but Jeff May have something to say about that, but at least a month or two we’re gonna go dark and hope to be back soon. I’m going to take a little break after this. Brett: So this just for listeners this will be the last official episode of systematic on this. So I’m just going to assume we can call this a clean slate. Jeff: Yeah, I haven’t heard anything about people still talking about it to this day. Brett: Well, it’s been long enough that if anyone still remembers the last time you were on, I’m sure they won’t mind a refresher, but we have new stuff to talk about since then, too. Jeff: Oh, I had just left a job in public radio, so I want to say it was like 2013 or something. Brett: do you know when the last time you were on the show was

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Podcast: Play in new window | Download Transcriptīrett: This week’s guest is Jeff Severns Guntzel an investigative researcher with 20 years of journalism and humanitarian work under his belt.

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Find Brett as on all social media platforms, and follow Systematic at on Twitter. You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s networkĬheck out more episodes at and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcasting app. The Baghdad I knew:Before and after the fall.Visit /SYSTEMATIC to get your fast approval with up-front rates. Upstart is the fast and easy way to pay off your debt with a personal loan –– all online. He joins Brett to talk about the juvenile detention system, prison abolition, activism, good deeds through hardware hacking, and trips to the garbage dump. fa.fa-pull-left.fa.pull-left.fa-bars:before.fa-navicon:before.This week’s guest is Jeff Severns Guntzel, an investigative researcher with 20 years of journalism and humanitarian work under his belt.











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